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on one side you have the establishment republicans, the john boehner, mitch mcconnell wing of the party. to them the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled mitt romney so far to the right in the primaries he could never find his way back to the middle in november. on the other side is the right wing, jim demint, rick santorum, the talk radio conservative media industrial complex. they make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose. the problem to them was our guy wasn't ideological enough. the conflict is playing out in technicolor with demint blowing the united states senate to become the ceo of the conservative movement and firing a warning shot at boehner in the process. joining me are michael steele, former rnc chair, now one of us, and joy reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. she's also one of us. thank you, gentleman and lady. i want you to look at something. this is what happens when you go near what i call the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina, and the outgoing heri
on one side you have the establishment republicans, the john boehner, mitch mcconnell wing of the party. to them the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled mitt romney so far to the right in the primaries he could never find his way back to the middle in november. on the other side is the right wing, jim demint, rick santorum, the talk radio conservative media industrial complex. they make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose. the problem to them was our...
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john kerry is now this country's majority opinion. well, something here has stirred, but what is it? what has shifted the country from two-thirds against same-sex marriage to more than 50% for it. compassion, common sense? idea fatigued? the idea to specify a single argument against it? or is it family, friends, co-workers and public by so many people that they are gay. is this why so many have changed their mind in marriage equality? in some cases, a major breakthrough. our guest, clark cooper and joan wallace. let's take a look at something that george will said this weekend. and the question is has the opposition of gay marriage softened, even among conservatives? let's watch it. >> this decision by the supreme court came 31 days after an election day. never happened before. now, the question is, how will that influence the court? it could make them say it's not necessary for us to go here. on the other hand, they could say it's now safe to look at this because there is something like an emerging consensus. quite literally, the opp
john kerry is now this country's majority opinion. well, something here has stirred, but what is it? what has shifted the country from two-thirds against same-sex marriage to more than 50% for it. compassion, common sense? idea fatigued? the idea to specify a single argument against it? or is it family, friends, co-workers and public by so many people that they are gay. is this why so many have changed their mind in marriage equality? in some cases, a major breakthrough. our guest, clark cooper...
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that's what john boehner and president obama are currently arguing about. par are it's interesting, mark. you and the team noted the confusion, if you want. maybe because of the leadership. the headlines and the ap has the headline fiscal cliffs appear to be stalled and the hill's headline edge towards the deal and deficit reduction negotiations. are both true? >> both are true and you have to look at the totality of the story. today is wednesday and you and i have been having this conversation for a while. you have some type of deal as we are headed to this weekend. this is about the give-and-take. we saw the white house who reported they went from at one point $6 trillion in revenue that they wanted. down to 1.4. i wouldn't be surprise fed that continues to go down. the most important thing as we pointed out, both sides continue to talk. even if the phone calls right now are not all that pleasant, even if they are tense, the fact that they are still talking is a pretty good sign that a deal can get done. >> realistically would we get to the point where th
that's what john boehner and president obama are currently arguing about. par are it's interesting, mark. you and the team noted the confusion, if you want. maybe because of the leadership. the headlines and the ap has the headline fiscal cliffs appear to be stalled and the hill's headline edge towards the deal and deficit reduction negotiations. are both true? >> both are true and you have to look at the totality of the story. today is wednesday and you and i have been having this...
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thanks. >>> coming up, just in, republicans are trying to fire john boehner. he's leading their talks with the president but they want him out. we'll have that story. >>> and how about this, a gold medal winner heads to "politicsnation." gabby douglas is here to share her story. you won't want to miss this one. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of l
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. >>> president obama and john boehner are keeping mum on their face-to-face negotiations on sunday. as the clock ticks down it appears some republicans may be softening their stance. nbc's brian moore has the very latest on this story. >> reporter: president obama and house speaker john boehner were behind closed doors trying to break the tax and spending stalemate that threatens to take the country over the fiscal cliff in just over three weeks. meanwhile, one by one republicans are bowing to the president's demand that takes go up for the wealthy. >> will i accept a deal? >> yes. >> we don't have a lot of cards before year end. we have one house. that's it, the presidency and the senate. it's in the democrat's hands. >> since we agree with the democrats, 98% of the american people and 80% of the bush tax cuts, i would get that off the table now so they don't worry about it. >> democrats insist taxes are going up on the rich no matter what. >> if you don't increase tax rates 2%, you won't generate enough revenue to have meaningful deficit reductions. >> republicans want big spendin
. >>> president obama and john boehner are keeping mum on their face-to-face negotiations on sunday. as the clock ticks down it appears some republicans may be softening their stance. nbc's brian moore has the very latest on this story. >> reporter: president obama and house speaker john boehner were behind closed doors trying to break the tax and spending stalemate that threatens to take the country over the fiscal cliff in just over three weeks. meanwhile, one by one...
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senator's john mccain and john kerry made an emotional plea for the senate to work together. >> he's here because he wants to know that when a disabled american veteran, our wounded warriors travel overseas that they're treated with the same dignity and respect. >> to bob it's unthinkable that americans could not get over a curb or enter a school building or even watch a debate in this chamber if they were in a wheelchair. >> the treaty fell five republican votes short of 66 fleeded. opponents were worried the treaty would fringe on american sovereignty. harry reid will bring it up for a vote again in the next congress. ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use alka-seltzer plus night cold & flu... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... honey? ...on the couch. nyquil d. 50% longer cough and stuffy nose relief. but when i was in an accident... honey? ...on th
senator's john mccain and john kerry made an emotional plea for the senate to work together. >> he's here because he wants to know that when a disabled american veteran, our wounded warriors travel overseas that they're treated with the same dignity and respect. >> to bob it's unthinkable that americans could not get over a curb or enter a school building or even watch a debate in this chamber if they were in a wheelchair. >> the treaty fell five republican votes short of 66...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart broken to hear this i said, look, how about this, john? if you agree to a 1% rate on the top 2 americans, just 2 people, i will dissolve social security. dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans and congress and what do they do? >> invited me to a pizza party. >> and when they got there -- when you got there, sir? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then what happened? >> they jumped out and pelted me with eggs. >> fresh eggs? >> rotten eggs. >> bill, i'll tell you, i feel like john boehner. mike has invited me to dinner many, many times. i show up and he's not there. all right. let's turn to reality news now. mtv has been looking for replacements of the "jersey
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> they took it and threw it in the garbage. i was so heart broken to hear this i said, look, how about this, john? if you agree to a 1% rate on the top 2 americans, just 2 people, i will dissolve social security. dissolve it. so we took it to the...
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but, speaker john boehner is sticking to his talking points; at least publically. he's refusing to budge. >> the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the pa closer we get to this year's fiscal close. >> boehner can blame the president all he wants. the reality is americans want to compromise. a new nbc wall street journal shows 65% want both sides to come together and make a deal. but that's not what's been happening in these talks. president obama made his opening offer, the republicans responded. the president then came back with a counter offer that included some concessions, so far so good. that's how negotiations work. but, then, republicans went the other way. they came back with an offer that was even more out of bounds than the first one. nbc news reports boehner now wants to make the bush tax cuts for the rich permanent. what's he thinking? we're going in the wrong direction in this country when it comes to economic fairness. incomes for the top 20% in this country are now eight times greater than the incomes for the bottom 20%. this inequali
but, speaker john boehner is sticking to his talking points; at least publically. he's refusing to budge. >> the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the pa closer we get to this year's fiscal close. >> boehner can blame the president all he wants. the reality is americans want to compromise. a new nbc wall street journal shows 65% want both sides to come together and make a deal. but that's not what's been happening in these talks. president obama made his opening...
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this is john boehner right now trapped between two boulders. stubborn party and the power of the president. do you think boehner's realized to cut off a part of himself, this need to not raise taxes in order to survive so in this way he's choosing political life? >> look. some people would look at and particularly some republicans would look at boehner doing just that as survivalism. a whole knotter faction of the republican party look at that and call it unilateral disarmament, literally. he's navigating a treacherous path. >> can you weigh in more specifically on cutting his arm off? the viewers want to know. >> they do. >> i just gave you unilateral disarmament. >> that was pretty good. you're right. >> part of his soul to cut off for this deal. >> i think republicans are starting to realize they won't get everything they want, they don't have a lot of leverage and the longer this goes on the more pain for them and trying to kind a way out of it. i don't know that i would liken it to sawing his own arm off. perhaps getting a bad hair cut and
this is john boehner right now trapped between two boulders. stubborn party and the power of the president. do you think boehner's realized to cut off a part of himself, this need to not raise taxes in order to survive so in this way he's choosing political life? >> look. some people would look at and particularly some republicans would look at boehner doing just that as survivalism. a whole knotter faction of the republican party look at that and call it unilateral disarmament,...
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maybe there's another way. >> this was all just a brilliant strategy by john boehner? >> it's all he had. look, the thing about being in the congressional leadership is it is not -- it's herding cats. you can't get them to do things they don't want to do. so they have to have a collective wisdom. when you have a giant influx of not just freshmen members of the house but people who are anti-politics in a certain kind of way from the tea party, anti-government, anti-compromise, when they come in to your group, it is impossible to lead. by the way, imt not someone who at any point criticized john boehner's leadership skills. i believe all those criticisms were misplaced. he had a problem with who got elected under his party banner. it's not that previous speakers were better leaders than he was. previous speakers didn't have as many crazy people in the room with him. >> that's a good point. >> let's see how much the republicans appreciate his sage counsel if he says guys, we have to hike rates. i'm waiting for that. speaking of that, lawrence, i know you were there in was
maybe there's another way. >> this was all just a brilliant strategy by john boehner? >> it's all he had. look, the thing about being in the congressional leadership is it is not -- it's herding cats. you can't get them to do things they don't want to do. so they have to have a collective wisdom. when you have a giant influx of not just freshmen members of the house but people who are anti-politics in a certain kind of way from the tea party, anti-government, anti-compromise, when...
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it's an issue because in 2004 george bush won the presidency over john kerry on this issue. it's still an issue for gay republicans. if you think that it's not a civil right, if you think that in the last election that this issue was not debated, it was debated heatedly. when you take away a civil right, then you're taking away people's equality. when you give them a civil right, you're giving them equality. that's the difference. the republicans don't see it that way. they have to figure out a way -- they talk about a big tent and talk is nice but it means nothing unless you put it in your party platform. it means nothing when you say, i think you should have everything i have just not call it the same thing. separate but equal is not okay for the democrats and it's not okay for the republicans. until rubio around those people that are contenders for 2016 on the republican side get that through their thick heads, saying his faith teaches him that, does he understand that it's just as mortal of a sin according to the bible, according to leviticus, that if you eat shellfish y
it's an issue because in 2004 george bush won the presidency over john kerry on this issue. it's still an issue for gay republicans. if you think that it's not a civil right, if you think that in the last election that this issue was not debated, it was debated heatedly. when you take away a civil right, then you're taking away people's equality. when you give them a civil right, you're giving them equality. that's the difference. the republicans don't see it that way. they have to figure out a...
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president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is not serious. >> math. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. >> jay carney says the speaker's plans raises more questions than answers. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of the
president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is...
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>> john edwards. >> getting a haircut. >> if there was an oil painting of john edwards -- the haircut's not the first thing they'd mention. nbc's -- >> john edwards has an oil painting of himself in his house, i bet money on that. >> she didn't say oily. >> the seasonally elegant luke russert, thank you for joining us. and cnbc's john harwood, thank you. >>> fast-food works are joining thousands of low-wage earners in a day of solidarity. our super sized income problem in america ahead on "now." >>> time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. lauren wanted to introduce the cabbage dish to mainstream america. using former skills a marketer she created mother-in-law's k kimchi. the product carried in whole foods and pressure markets. watch "your business" this sunday morning at 7:30 on msnbc. [ male announcer ] now's the perfect time to buy an adjustable version of the most highly recommended bed in america. the tempur-pedic ergo system. treat yourself to the ultimate sleep experience and save up to $400 during the tempur ergo savings event. plus visit tempurpedic.com for full
>> john edwards. >> getting a haircut. >> if there was an oil painting of john edwards -- the haircut's not the first thing they'd mention. nbc's -- >> john edwards has an oil painting of himself in his house, i bet money on that. >> she didn't say oily. >> the seasonally elegant luke russert, thank you for joining us. and cnbc's john harwood, thank you. >>> fast-food works are joining thousands of low-wage earners in a day of solidarity. our super...
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so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do the lawmakers owe their constituents on the promise not to raise tax she's. >> i think they owe the country. good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other consideration. >> of course, chip, a lot of those constituents don't think that a tax hike on the wealthy is for the good of the country and even though national polling shows that overall people favor raising taxes on the rich, you talk to congressman like ted poe in texas or scott in new jersey fnlg, they don't see it. if boehner wants a
so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do the lawmakers owe their constituents on the promise not to raise tax she's. >> i think they owe the country. good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular...
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the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and maybe found something there. they're threatening again to hold the full credit of the united states hostage. joous lick the debacle of 2011. obama's official position on this is he won't be blackmailed. and he won't -- but this is a dangerous game. if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a lon
the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no...
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and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from now on whenever i hear or read the words "fiscal cliff" or any related bad metaphors, parts of my brain will shut down. #catatonic. plus a powerful decongestant. zyrtec-d® lets me breath freer, so i can love the air. [ male announcer ] zyrtec-d®. behind the pharmacy counter. no prescription needed. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your
and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from...
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house speaker john boehner moments ago seeing serious differences still exist between house republicans and the president when it comes to the debt talks. >> presidents get elected to lead. the president talked about a balanced approach. we've brought a balanced approach. but i've said this and you've all heard me say it and i will say it one more time. we are going to begin to solve our debt problem. >> so describing the situation as one step forward, two steps back. today boehner said tuesday's phone call with the president was open and honest. however, that call only lasted 15 minutes, something the speaker himself this morning called deliberate, one of the steps back. yesterday's dueling counteroffers which got the president and congress nowhere closer to a deal. 20 days, that's it from the brink and the fiscal cliff is coming quickly at us. it's doing definite damage to boehner's brand. a new "washington post"/abc poll showing voters overwhelmingly disapprove of boehner's handling of the fiscal talks. it's an even split on the president. who is still sticking to his guns, urging th
house speaker john boehner moments ago seeing serious differences still exist between house republicans and the president when it comes to the debt talks. >> presidents get elected to lead. the president talked about a balanced approach. we've brought a balanced approach. but i've said this and you've all heard me say it and i will say it one more time. we are going to begin to solve our debt problem. >> so describing the situation as one step forward, two steps back. today boehner...
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is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular people against the people on the top. on the other side he's saying, you republicans, you can be the scrooging this winter. i have to go along with it. but you're forcing me to do it so you're the bad guys. so i think i agree with kristin. this is basically a setup if there is a deal for the president. >> well, i do think that the president would certainly get a big win with the middle class tax cut piece of this which i think is going to pass, whether it passes by the first of the year is another matter, but i think he'll get that piece of it. but i th
is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular...
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john mccain is a terribly sore loser. susan rice said some things in 2008 defending her candidate for president. he's never forgiven her. lindsey graham, all the man cares about is fighting off a tea party challenger. he gets to go back to south carolina and he gets to say i thwarted the president, the newly-reelected president, and i took down a wonderful african american woman. i have to say i don't know that they're deliberately putting race in the equation, but maybe there's something unconscious about it. but a lot of the people who have been targeted in the situation have been african americans. i don't know how it works out that way. but it has. it's a sad day. susan rice will be fine. she's going to go on and do great things for the country. but we've lost a public servant. and the president has been thwarted. and i think this boeds terribly for the supposed, new bipartisan cooperation that we're all supposed to hope for. >> congresswoman, we've also seen a blatant double standard. in november, matt lowe, he con f
john mccain is a terribly sore loser. susan rice said some things in 2008 defending her candidate for president. he's never forgiven her. lindsey graham, all the man cares about is fighting off a tea party challenger. he gets to go back to south carolina and he gets to say i thwarted the president, the newly-reelected president, and i took down a wonderful african american woman. i have to say i don't know that they're deliberately putting race in the equation, but maybe there's something...
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. >> house speaker john boehner took to the house floor only a few hours ago. >> john boehner was on the floor. >> people know that the president and i met on sunday. >> and said his meeting was nice. >> it was a nice meeting. it was cordial. >> cordial. >> we have to cut spending. >> holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> republicans have been ratcheting up their rhetoric. >> get the tax issue off the table. >> we don't have the leverage. >> you can't tax your way out of this baby. >> throw in the towel on this tax rates issue. >> they have the debt ceiling. >> keep your eye on the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling part of this deal. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> it's their leverage. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> and maybe their only leverage. >> and you want to have leverage. >> that's leverage. >> that's making it worse. >> investors are preparing to go off the cliff. >> this is almost a game of chicken. >> negotiation 101. >> are republicans feeling the pressure? we have stopped being at the timeerred to reality. we're still waiting for the white house. i
. >> house speaker john boehner took to the house floor only a few hours ago. >> john boehner was on the floor. >> people know that the president and i met on sunday. >> and said his meeting was nice. >> it was a nice meeting. it was cordial. >> cordial. >> we have to cut spending. >> holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> republicans have been ratcheting up their rhetoric. >> get the tax issue off the table. >> we don't...
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john boehner isn't having a lot of fun this holiday season. president obama continues his pressure campaign to pass the tax cuts. the president is also taking time to be fesive. john boehner doesn't sound so merry. >> no progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fis e call cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> the phone call was pleasant, but was just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president if he's serious to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> even though the president apparently designed the negotiating sessions at boehner's request. according to "the new york times," boehner insisted the talks include only himself and the president of the united states. boehner wanted senate democrats and nancy pelosi out of the discussions. democratic senator dick durbin told the times this is now the speaker and the president working this through. democratic leaders say they are
john boehner isn't having a lot of fun this holiday season. president obama continues his pressure campaign to pass the tax cuts. the president is also taking time to be fesive. john boehner doesn't sound so merry. >> no progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fis e call cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> the phone call was pleasant, but was just more of the same. the...
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and i feel sorry for john boehner in so many eways. he's literally between a rock and a hard place but he's got to resolve it as representative pelosi said as speaker. he's got a responsibility to provide leadership and resolve this within his own caucus. >> while this has been going on for weeks now we've been talking about this. the american appetite, as i said, it is growing to get something done. americans are paying attention. 53% are optimistic and satisfied that obama was re-elected. 45% describe themselves as uncertain or pessimistic. that optimistic number is up from october. how how much do you think the p.r. campaign paying into that? >> i don't think it does much. the president won re-election and driving support for his numbers. what we have to watch over the next few days, ultimately, something like 70 or 80 republicans have to sign the tax relief in order to get past this cliff. that's the big challenger. we've only seen 10 or 12 republicans in congress say i'm willing to raise taxes. until that number gets higher this i
and i feel sorry for john boehner in so many eways. he's literally between a rock and a hard place but he's got to resolve it as representative pelosi said as speaker. he's got a responsibility to provide leadership and resolve this within his own caucus. >> while this has been going on for weeks now we've been talking about this. the american appetite, as i said, it is growing to get something done. americans are paying attention. 53% are optimistic and satisfied that obama was...
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john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership. it's me and you. >> seconds and thirds in there have cantor in there and mccarthy in there, some other people. >> i'm sure cantor would like to be in there. >> yes. >> michael steele, the other thing -- the other sort of pieces of leverage here, if they exist for the republican party, are continuing unemployment insurance. 2.1 million long-term unemployed americans will lose benefits at the end much the year. another million will lose benefits in the next three months if we do nothing. the republicans have sort of said we're going to hold this stuff. i'm not going to use the word hostage. we're going to keep this in our quiver until it's time. >> he used the word, what, last year. >> but it is another set of dollars that need to be spent in the conversation about spending, and i think a lot of republicans' frustration with the administration is that they haven't really gotten down, you've touched on entitlements a little bit, but they haven't gotten down to the nitty gritty of all the
john boehner has said i don't want any of the congressional leadership. it's me and you. >> seconds and thirds in there have cantor in there and mccarthy in there, some other people. >> i'm sure cantor would like to be in there. >> yes. >> michael steele, the other thing -- the other sort of pieces of leverage here, if they exist for the republican party, are continuing unemployment insurance. 2.1 million long-term unemployed americans will lose benefits at the end much...
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they are really making more concession than john boehner. eric cantor says republicans are not going to adjourn this year until a deal is reached. is that a sign of early capitulation? he knows republicans can't go home to their districts with absolutely nothing to show for it. that's not what the american people voted for. john boehner says he's willing to stick around town to get a deal done? >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president, to get serious about solving this problem. >> but president obama says john boehner's presence is not the solution, it's the problem. >> the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position, you think the day after the campaign, that said, we're willing to bring in revenue, but we're not willing to increase rates. and i've just explained to you why we don't think that works. >> senate majority leader harry reid has also called republicans out for sabotaging the democratic process. now, putting this all into context, he tweeted out today, harry reid did, "i shar
they are really making more concession than john boehner. eric cantor says republicans are not going to adjourn this year until a deal is reached. is that a sign of early capitulation? he knows republicans can't go home to their districts with absolutely nothing to show for it. that's not what the american people voted for. john boehner says he's willing to stick around town to get a deal done? >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president, to get...
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why didn't john kasich run? even in 2012 and as difficult as the situation was for president obama, those heavyweights within the republican party saw the writing on the wall, that it was going to be a very difficult race for even the best candidate, so they all held their fire for possibly 2016, so that's why you're seeing people talk about jeb bush and others. i left chris christie out of that mix as someone people were hoping would run, a strong candidate who would run in '12. that's why you're hearing the names come out now. jo ama >> amazing. newt gingrich, a man who knows a thing or two about the ladies, says hillary clinton would be close to unbeatable if she close to run. do you think we're looking at bush versus clinton in 2016? >> i think the picture on the democratic side this far out, there's a little more clarity to it -- there's a lot more clarity than the republican side. if hillary clinton were to run in 2016 there are obviously no guarantees in life or politics, but within the democratic party f
why didn't john kasich run? even in 2012 and as difficult as the situation was for president obama, those heavyweights within the republican party saw the writing on the wall, that it was going to be a very difficult race for even the best candidate, so they all held their fire for possibly 2016, so that's why you're seeing people talk about jeb bush and others. i left chris christie out of that mix as someone people were hoping would run, a strong candidate who would run in '12. that's why...
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bob bennett, not right wing enough, john mccain. their idea of right wing is way out and the leader of them all is this guy leaving the senate. how do you see it? >> this is the place where the conservative movement and the republican party oftentimes part ways. jim demint has been the burr in the bonnet of mitch mcconnell people on the left think of as this hard right in trtransigenty who said his top priority was making barack obama a one term president. mitch mcconnell is like john boehner and old time deal-maker, old-fashioned. people like jim demint can't stand people like that. they feel the party has become too easy to change. remember they were screaming bloody murder, the democrats and thought the president had done that and they feel john boehner had lost that negotiations and want the party further and further to the right. what demint specializes is doing is trying to push the party further and further to the out-skirts. >> what do you think? >> i think there is some truth to that. what is interesting to me, during the b
bob bennett, not right wing enough, john mccain. their idea of right wing is way out and the leader of them all is this guy leaving the senate. how do you see it? >> this is the place where the conservative movement and the republican party oftentimes part ways. jim demint has been the burr in the bonnet of mitch mcconnell people on the left think of as this hard right in trtransigenty who said his top priority was making barack obama a one term president. mitch mcconnell is like john...
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at least lindsey graham and john mccain seem to be of one mind on this. >> going back to john mccain, though, this is a case of senatorial stalking. he was -- he had to give up the chairmanship of the armed services committee. he was term limited out in terms of the republican roles, so he went looking for another place where he could kind of do the same thing. >> he has found a corner of his own, but i think what is ironic here, mark, is that the republicans have rallied around john kerry anti-war hero who they swift boated less than ten years ago as the new secretary of state. >> the voice of reason. no, it's amazing to see how this happens. he and john mccain are best friends again. he called him mr. president the other day. what did he call him, mr. secretary. >> mr. secretary and mr. president. >> anyway, yes. >> karen, does the president lose face if he backs down on susan rice? >> he does. so i think the president's condition is going to continue to be bring it on. i do. >> bring it on, she says. thank you to my friends here for bringing it on. that is all for now. i will see y
at least lindsey graham and john mccain seem to be of one mind on this. >> going back to john mccain, though, this is a case of senatorial stalking. he was -- he had to give up the chairmanship of the armed services committee. he was term limited out in terms of the republican roles, so he went looking for another place where he could kind of do the same thing. >> he has found a corner of his own, but i think what is ironic here, mark, is that the republicans have rallied around...
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as you know president obama and john boehner spoke on the phone yesterday. sources on both sides are describing that phone conversation as tense in large part because of this issue over the tax rates. there is still no movement on this issue. of course the clock is ticking. there's not a whole lot of time left to get a deal done. and as you pointed out, house speaker john boehner, harry reid also preparing conferences to potentially work through the holidays. that is a tactic to some extent, but it is still an indication that as of right now, there's really no deal in sight. >> right. and now today speaker boehner said the president's plan has absolutely no chance on this hill. take a listen to this. >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. and if you look at -- if you look at our budget, we have no new revenue in our budget. the president had $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue. >> so he says it's never going to happen. but the president says he's confident speaker boehner will ultimately cave. a
as you know president obama and john boehner spoke on the phone yesterday. sources on both sides are describing that phone conversation as tense in large part because of this issue over the tax rates. there is still no movement on this issue. of course the clock is ticking. there's not a whole lot of time left to get a deal done. and as you pointed out, house speaker john boehner, harry reid also preparing conferences to potentially work through the holidays. that is a tactic to some extent,...
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here at home it was supported by a bipartisan group, including john kerry and john mccain. but the vote fell short of the 66 required votes, two-thirds required. an issue is belief by some republicans, many of them, that by signing the treaty the united states would somehow surrender some sovereignty to united nations. with me now are two advocates of this treaty, senator john kerry of massachusetts, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and ted kennedy jr., a long-time champion of disability rights and president of the mal marwood group. it's hard for me to understand the ideological. of notion of something it taken over in our world that we have to fight even though we can't put our finger on it. >> they argued they were afraid we were giving up sovereignty of nation and somehow the united nations would be able to tell us what to do. neither are true. there is no requirement in this treaty whatsoever that any law in the united states would be changed, no new right would be created that doesn't exist already in the united states and most importantly because of
here at home it was supported by a bipartisan group, including john kerry and john mccain. but the vote fell short of the 66 required votes, two-thirds required. an issue is belief by some republicans, many of them, that by signing the treaty the united states would somehow surrender some sovereignty to united nations. with me now are two advocates of this treaty, senator john kerry of massachusetts, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and ted kennedy jr., a long-time champion of...
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speaking at the john f. kennedy library, holder says it's time to consider national voting standards. the attorney general pointed to a mcarthur foundation study that found nearly 90% of voters support the creation of national standards. holder also said election officials should strive to administer elections more efficiently and fairly. he went on to say this means taking steps to address long lines at polling places and ensure that every polling place has an adequate number of voting machines. we must acknowledge that giving our fellow citizens access to the voting booth for longer hours and over additional days will enable more of them to cast their ballots without unduly interfering with work or family obligations that so many have. well put. in the meantime, the gop isn't giving up their fight over voter suppression. some of the toughest laws in the country have come in swing states with republican governors. holder stopped short of supporting specific legislation to create an unverified system, but he
speaking at the john f. kennedy library, holder says it's time to consider national voting standards. the attorney general pointed to a mcarthur foundation study that found nearly 90% of voters support the creation of national standards. holder also said election officials should strive to administer elections more efficiently and fairly. he went on to say this means taking steps to address long lines at polling places and ensure that every polling place has an adequate number of voting...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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even john boehner initial why when asked this question hedged a little bit. speaking of republicans, a rising star, senator marco rubio had this response in the weekly gop response to the president. >> we must get the national debt under control. tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of sbilgsment programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated uncertain job killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be generating revenue by creating new taxpayers not new taxes. >>> so alex, the question, your initial question, can it get done? the answer is yes. joe biden joked yesterday he could run it up to the hill from the white house in 15 minutes and run it back and have the president sign it. maybe not that quick. but most people believe if the will is there and votes are there it could get done in relatively short order. >> that's the big question. the vice president would only be able to get that to send to the president if the republicans put something in the hous
even john boehner initial why when asked this question hedged a little bit. speaking of republicans, a rising star, senator marco rubio had this response in the weekly gop response to the president. >> we must get the national debt under control. tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of sbilgsment programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated uncertain job killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but...
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we said that about john tower. no comparison, no comparison -- >> wow. >> chairman of the armed services committee -- >> that's -- >> let me just make my point, guys, i know you're laughing at me and jopt to be hoisted on this petard, but when committee chairman then become nominated, their colleagues look at them with great deference but you never know what you don't know. john kerry is completely qualified, healthy despite, you know, a scare back in '04, and we could imagine a very quick and easy confirmation. >> far better this. i'm not laughing at you i'm enjoying one aspect of the way you said something. do you think this is a much better appointment from kerry's point of view than had he been ut up for defense when there was the old issue of his anti-war activities? >> and of his qualifications. he has foreign policy experience but the military street cred, even though he was a war hero, it's a very controversial and he doesn't have the primary budget experience that leon panetta had as a former budget direct
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the president spoke with house speaker john boehner by phone yesterday. it was their first conversation in a week but neither side would characterize that conversation. they agreed not to talk about it publicly. there is this, though, on the front page of today's "washington post." many gop centrists and some conservatives are calling on house speaker john boehner to concede on rates now while he still has leverage and shows concern. ed, as we dive in on this post article, it goes down to points out the republicans do want something in return for this. they want to have some wins in this fight. perception is reality in washington, d.c. and across the land. so if they can give something that looks like, okay, we got a couple things out of this. but that's really not going to be the case when we look at the whole big picture, unless they do that two step, which is get the 98% out of the way and maybe fight over the next eight weeks before the debt ceiling debate. >> well, this is where i think the white house needs to continue to put the pressure on boehner
the president spoke with house speaker john boehner by phone yesterday. it was their first conversation in a week but neither side would characterize that conversation. they agreed not to talk about it publicly. there is this, though, on the front page of today's "washington post." many gop centrists and some conservatives are calling on house speaker john boehner to concede on rates now while he still has leverage and shows concern. ed, as we dive in on this post article, it goes...
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john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new
john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change...
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john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not like raising the eligibility age for medicare. so there are other things that happen? can we scale back the generosity of the obama care subsidies? can we start means testing in additional ways in the medicare program? they have to get creative. >> they got it to get creative, zachary. this comes at the busiest time of the year for retailers and businesses. have you noticed any signs at this point that consumers are at all holding back this holiday season fearing we may go over the so-called fiscal cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers ho
john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not...
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the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >> perry, i'm wondering if these new unemployment numbers add to the president's leverage? >> i think they do. the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the
the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package...
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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than...
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>> my read is the republicans and john boehner, in order to get his caucus involved, they are insisting on getting the ryan budget and the romney budget plan through by negotiation fiat. they didn't whip the election but they still want -- they want to win by negotiation fiat. i think that they are -- in order to save face, they are demanding that there be severe cuts to medicare, social security. i think they want the change, the president to agree to the chained cpi for social security, raise the medicare age and wants to back down from cutting tax decreases -- increases, i'm sorry, for the top 2%. they want the president essentially to cave. also. >> so you believe republicans are more focused on entitlements and changing the medicare eligibility age than they are on inkrieg the tax rate you do you think that is their priority at this point? >> i do. tamron, i think exactly. they realize that they don't have any choice about the>> i d. tamron, i think exactly. they realize that they don't have any choice about the bush era tax cuts expiring december 31st. to extract victory, they wan
>> my read is the republicans and john boehner, in order to get his caucus involved, they are insisting on getting the ryan budget and the romney budget plan through by negotiation fiat. they didn't whip the election but they still want -- they want to win by negotiation fiat. i think that they are -- in order to save face, they are demanding that there be severe cuts to medicare, social security. i think they want the change, the president to agree to the chained cpi for social security,...
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i want to see john boehner come out and say raise the el jishlt age or whatever else they want. it's a weird game of chicken except for the fact that the president put cuts on the table so get the notion we are not discussing cuts or no cuts. >> well, i mean, he was talking about a balanced plan and we have been mostly talking about the tax hikes and i think i agree with you that republicans need to come out and be very specific about what exactly they would like cut and they have yet to do that. i agree. but in terms of the demands for specifics, you know, obama wants more specifics from boehner. boehner wants more specifics of obama. who's going to show their hand first in this game of chicken? >> well, i certainly hope the president doesn't because he's got all the cards. he has aces up the sleeve so, you know, the bush tax cuts simply expire at the end of the year. i know there's a lot of worry and a lot of concern about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff, curb, slope, whatever. maybe it's not optimal but it's way better than a bad deal and i think i can't see getti
i want to see john boehner come out and say raise the el jishlt age or whatever else they want. it's a weird game of chicken except for the fact that the president put cuts on the table so get the notion we are not discussing cuts or no cuts. >> well, i mean, he was talking about a balanced plan and we have been mostly talking about the tax hikes and i think i agree with you that republicans need to come out and be very specific about what exactly they would like cut and they have yet to...
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. >>> tonight, who in america is betting on john boehner in his tax showdown with president obama? exactly no one. not even rush limbaugh. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who could stop what's going to happen. >> with the fiscal cliff just 22 days away. >> we're down to the final three weeks. >> the president is on the move. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> president obama on the ground in michigan. >> i will work with republicans. >> delivering a speech at an engine manufacturing plant. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> they are ready to make a deal. >> they are ready to make a deal on tax rates. >> republicans know that they have to give on taxes. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who can stop what is happening. >> senator corker has nailed this one. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> you have to have leverage. >> we don't have the leverage. the power isn't there. >> could a secret meeting seal the deal when it come to the fiscal cliff? the white house says it can happen. >> president oba
. >>> tonight, who in america is betting on john boehner in his tax showdown with president obama? exactly no one. not even rush limbaugh. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who could stop what's going to happen. >> with the fiscal cliff just 22 days away. >> we're down to the final three weeks. >> the president is on the move. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> president obama on the ground in michigan. >> i will work with...
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young john f kennedy led to a successful bid in 1960. younger brother teddy won his old seat skpld serve for nearly five decades. brother bobby was elected to serve as new york's carpet bagging senator at the time. so he was accused of. the second generation served in the house of representative with bobby's son, joe spending a dozen years and patrick serving ai eight terms before retiring. with teddy's death in 2009 and patrick's decision not to run again, congress has been without a member of the kennedy family for about two years. it seems fitting that there is a look out about his namesake called the patriarch, the remarkable and tush lept times of joseph p kennedy. dave nassau, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> the complicated political beginnings of joseph p kennedy, where to begin. i want to start with deal with his wealth. how did he accumulate and how much did he marry into and how much did he accumulate on his own and did he do it fully legally? >> cheer to it fully legally, but on the margins. the outer margins of legal
young john f kennedy led to a successful bid in 1960. younger brother teddy won his old seat skpld serve for nearly five decades. brother bobby was elected to serve as new york's carpet bagging senator at the time. so he was accused of. the second generation served in the house of representative with bobby's son, joe spending a dozen years and patrick serving ai eight terms before retiring. with teddy's death in 2009 and patrick's decision not to run again, congress has been without a member of...